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Unfinished business part 2: Why oppose abortion

Mar23rd
2011
Leave a Comment Written by juvericci

This comment was sent a couple of months ago. After the fantastic debate we had last Monday, I thought it would be good to go through the points:

What makes a cluster of cells inside a woman’s fetus any more “human” than say, a grouping of skin cells that was just scratched off my back? What makes this argument a fallacy is that a zygote does not have the ability to feel pain, suffering, or especially consciousness. What makes killing a human fetus anymore “evil” than a protist. Neither can think, and in fact I would argue that in order for a body to really be considered living it has to be able to live on its own.

The skin cells that were scratched off your back are not new human beings…just cells with the same genetic makeup as your other skin cells. Zygotes constitute a new human entity, irreplaceable and unrepeatable in time and space.

Since when does feeling pain, suffering or consciousness have anything to do with whether someone is a person or not (I assume you are attacking the personhood argument since you seem to conclude that the fetus is human)? The ability to feel pain or suffering does not determine personhood. It should never be defined based on abilities or faculties because what would we call a person in a coma? Not a person at that point?

The ability of the fetus to live on his own is not determined by his stage in life but rather by the technological advances in society. For example, an unborn child at 24 weeks can survive with the technology we have at our disposal that we would not have had decades ago. This does not mean that the present day unborn child at 24 weeks is more of a person than he would have been 40 years ago because it is technology that has changed, not the unborn.

The reasons that people come up with to support the non-choice of abortion are almost always based in religion. From a completely unbiased and non-religious view, abortion is no more wrong than squishing an ant (I would argue it’s MUCH less wrong). It would be like suggesting that no sperm or egg should ever go wasted and that it should be illegal NOT to have kids every chance you get (eg. no masterbating).
Your argument is completely fallous and deeply rooted in (very wrong) religion. There is absolutely no reason to suggest killing a fetus is evil. I personally think that it is immortal to deny a woman any choice in the matter.

You are a little all over the place in this next part but I will do my best to sift through it. Sperm and eggs have 23 chromosomes; the unborn have 46 chromosomes. I got this from a biology textbook, not the Bible. Therefore, you cannot equivocate the killing of the unborn to wasting eggs and sperm. They are different biologically. Also, read my post again. I did not mention any religious arguments so I am not sure how you can say the abortion debate is deeply rooted in religion.

To close, the fact that the fetus is human (and I’m pretty sure you agree with me on that) provides a reason as to why abortion can be considered evil. I hope you give it some more thought.

Abortion    Abortion, prolife apologetics, the unborn

Pro-life 101: Jill Stanek asks a good question

Jul28th
2010
Leave a Comment Written by juvericci

As pro-lifers, we will meet a lot of hostility from pro-choicers. We must be ready to defend ourselves when called upon and even though the University of Toronto Students of Life offers Pro-life 101 sessions throughout the school year (you should get on the mailing list to find out when and where they will be located!) I’m offering an online Pro-life 101 session now. The tireless pro-life fighter Jill Stanek recently had a back and forth e-mail session with a pro-choicer and here is how it went:

Jill then goes on to ask what the pro-life answer to “Why don’t you people put up or shut up – pay for the care of pregnant mothers in crisis and adopt the unwanted or “defective” babies?”. The comments section had some really good answers. They included:

1. Pro-lifers already help women with unwanted pregnancies: They are called crisis pregnancy centres, like this one. 

2. If your neighbour was beating his wife and kids, would you have to marry the wife and adopt the kids before calling the police and children’s aid?

3. If pro-aborts pro-choicers really care about choice, what are they doing to ensure that this woman has the support she needs to actually make a choice?

4. If I am against car theft, I don’t have to be a policeman or part of the Neighbourhood Watch to tell others to not steal cars. 

5. How many children would I, a pro-lifer, have to adopt to make my pro-life views known? Would me adopting 20 children instead of 2 children make abortion worse, or is abortion wrong for the fact that an innocent child is killed? (I came up with this one)

These are just some of the responses I picked out. If you have more, feel free to share!

Abortion    adoption, jill stanek, pro-life 101

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